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prebuilt keeps oscillating on fast rolls, not sure if its the tune or me

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ok so this has been bugging me for a while and i finally decided to post about it. picked up a flywoo explorer lr prebuilt a couple months ago, mostly fly it for cruising and the occasional long range but ive been trying to push it a bit more lately and whenever i throw in a fast snap roll it kinda wobbles out at the end of the move. like it doesnt crash or anything but in the goggles you can see this bouncy thing happening for maybe half a second after the roll stops

at first i thought it was just me being sloppy on the sticks but ive tried slowing down my inputs and it still does it. running betaflight 4.4 with pretty much the default tune that came on it, havent touched much except expo. the motors feel fine when i spin them up on the bench. anyone dealt with this on a prebuilt or is the default tune on the explorer just known to be soft

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that bounceback after rolls is almost always P being too high or D being too low, sometimes both. prebuilt tunes are usually conservative from the factory because they have to account for a wide range of flying conditions and skill levels so they dont get returns from people crashing right out of the box. id pull a blackbox log first before touching anything though, guessing at this stuff without data usually makes it worse

also what props are you running, the stock ones? i swapped to HQProp 5x4.3 on mine and the tune behavior changed noticeably, worth mentioning if you havent tried different props yet

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yeah the explorer lr tune is notoriously soft, its kind of known in the long range community. its setup that way because most people buying it are cruising not freestyling. if you want to throw snappy rolls on it you'll probbaly need to retune it properly. betaflight configurator has the slider system now which makes it easier but honestly for that kind of flying you might just be fighting the airframe a bit, its not really designed for that

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