so ive been trying to nail down my rolls for like 3 weeks now and no matter what i do there's this weird wobble that happens right in the middle of the roll, not at the start or end just dead center. flying a 5inch with f7 stack and currently on betaflight 4.4. rates are probably the issue but honestly ive messed with them so much at this point i dont even know what baseline looks like anymore

anyone dealt with this before? feels like a filtering thing maybe but i pushed the filters pretty hard already trying to get that freestyle feel and now im second guessing everything

yeah that mid-roll wobble is almost always a P term oscillation, your P is fighting the roll halfway through. try dropping P on roll axis like 5-10 points at a time and see if it cleans up. also what does your blackbox look like on that axis? if you're not logging you're basically just guessing

i had the exact same thing on my build for weeks and turns out my motors were slightly out of balance, two of them had bent shafts from crashes i forgot about lol. probably not your issue but worth spinning them by hand and checking. also rpm filter on or off? made a big difference for me